START MESSY with Ana Patricia Bourgeois | LAYC19

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Hello everyone.

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Well, in fact, today I should say Bonjour tout le monde, because I have

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the extreme pleasure, of a guest on my podcast today, her name is Ana

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Patricia Bourgeois, and she is coming to us from Montreal, Quebec, in Canada.

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I am kind of a groupie of Ana's because I found out about her podcast recently,

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and admired tremendously what she does, how she does it, and how quickly she

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has attained a very good following.

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So welcome...

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Welcome, Ana.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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This is such a pleasure.

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I'm so excited to be here.

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Well, let's just dive right in, because that's how we get to know each other, and

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how we find out what you do in the world.

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What's your influence.

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And how we can increase your impact.

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So tell me a little bit about the Ana story and what brought you to today?

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Oh my gosh.

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They're just so many things.

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I think it's important to go back to the beginning and truly

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understand where I come from.

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My parents got divorced when I was 15 years old and since then, it wasn't easy

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for me, I had to grow up really quickly.

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And I had to take a lot of responsibilities that

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teenagers don't usually take.

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I've seen, the struggle firsthand around money, and the money

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struggles, and all of that.

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And I just realized that, This wasn't the path that I wanted for my life,

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and for myself, and that I knew that there was something bigger.

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Something so much bigger for me in my life.

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I went to school...

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university college, I graduated.

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I started my own digital marketing agency.

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I work with brand...

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with social media, helping those brands grow, get followers, sell

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their products, their services.

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I realized that something clicked.

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That I really liked the client facing work.

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I like to see the growth in the clients, the results they're experiencing.

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Just talking with them, was what I love the most.

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So I said, what else can I do?

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Where it's more on the personal level?

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, I Googled coaching, what coaching is, and how to get started into

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coaching, and I found this school.

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I read their curriculum and I just really identified with them.

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I didn't think twice, I just signed up.

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I got certified back in 2019.

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Last year, I actually took the job, made the leap, to go

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full-time in my coaching business.

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Next month, is actually my full year as a full-time coach.

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It's been just amazing and yeah, like in a nutshell, that's what

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my story is like, but yeah.

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That's an accelerated path to where you are.

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And yet you look like you are still pretty calm and collected.

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So Bravo!

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What age did you first become an entrepreneur?

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Yeah.

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I just always knew it...

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In my family, it runs in my family.

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My grandma was an entrepreneur.

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My grandfather on my father's side was an entrepreneur, and I just saw,

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the freedom that it brought to them.

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I knew it wasn't easy for them, but I knew that it was worth it.

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Like when you have that dream, to just follow that dream.

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I just decided to go for it and started my own digital marketing agency...

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Because that's what I studied in college.

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That's what I learned.

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That's what I loved.

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And I just pivoted into coaching.

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It was just like natural, because now I use those gifts.

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I use those skills that I've learned in the digital marketing to help

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my clients grow their business.

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So it all comes full circle.

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The relationship aspect of working with our clients...

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Transcends the type of business that we are in.

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Right?

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Did you have coaches yourself?

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Always, always, always, I always invested since the beginning.

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That first investment is always scary and you're like, Oh my gosh,

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what am I getting myself into?

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Can I really do this?

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And every single time I invest...

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I expand.

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.. I just grow so much.

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It just brings me life and brings me joy because I know I'm doing this for me.

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I'm saying yes to myself.

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If it's not a monetary ROI right away...

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It's like learnings...

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and teachings...

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and stuff that I...

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Maybe didn't see it that way...

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And perspective shifts, and stuff like that.

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And I've learned from so many different coaches and mentors.

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I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for them.

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And I always say that good coaches have coaches...

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So yeah, I'm always supported.

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You're obviously very wise, because understanding...

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Investing in ourselves...

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Is the greatest thing that we can do...

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Not only for ourselves, but everybody who we touch, because if we don't

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grow..., How can we lift others?

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Correct?

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(Yeah.

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Yeah.) Bravo for you!

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Was there a particular defining moment in your life, that you recognized...

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Okay.

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I need to grow again.

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I have to find...

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I need to look around, and find the person who can help me up?

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I would say every time, I'm getting comfortable...

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Because as entrepreneurs...

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right?

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As online coaches or service providers...

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It's our job to get uncomfortable and to do things that scares us.

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Because if we're not uncomfortable, then we're not doing enough...

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Or we're not going bigger.

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Right?

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We can always go bigger and do more things.

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So every time I get comfortable and complacent with where I am

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like, Nope, it's time to like...

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Do something about it...

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I'm ready to maybe find something else, another course or program

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or something to get me outside of my comfort zone and to grow.

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And this is funny because people always ask me...

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How do you build so much confidence in yourself?

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Or how do you always keep going and do things?

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I do things like...

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I take action.

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I do it because people think...

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They have to wait and plan and strategize and think...

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And I'm like...

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No...

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You have to do it first.

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And then you'll figure it out.

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I'd love to talk more about confidence because that for me is a, one of the

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things that perhaps isn't as obvious...

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that...

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As an entrepreneur...

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Especially anybody in a leadership position.

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Confidence is one of the essentials...

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And if you're not building that muscle, all the time...

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It's very hard...

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You can't move forward...

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right?

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Because you are a growth mindset person...

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And you obviously are fearless in terms of...

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Okay, I'm not comfortable, I'm not ready, but I'm going to do it anyway.

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Do you ever encounter people around you that go...

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Whoa...

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Wait a minute...

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Ana...

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Why do you need to do that?

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Can't you just be content with what you have now?

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Does that ever happen to you?

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Yeah, all the time.

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It always happens.

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Honestly, it doesn't mean I don't feel fear.

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I still have fears.

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I still have that.

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I'm a human being, but what's most important.

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Is remembering why you're doing this...

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And what your vision is for your life?

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And why is this so important to you?

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And then when you reconnect with that, and you realize it's not about you...

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It's about helping the people who are watching you right now, who

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are listening to you right now.

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You just...

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Put your fear aside for a second, and you say, No...

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I'm going to do this because...

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I'm here to serve...

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I'm here to be a powerful leader.

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I remember...

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My first sales call, or my first live stream, or my first post...

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I was so scared, but the more I did it...

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the better I became at it.

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The more it became easy, for me to show up, and for me to go on those calls...

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Yeah, it's just taking that first step, taking that first leap,

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and doing it again, and again, and again, and repeating it.

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That's how you build a confidence, to keep going.

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And if you never begin, you will never arrive.

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(Yeah)

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Going back to the competence piece, with how people around

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us, in our circle of influence...

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How they think they're doing the right thing for us.

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They want to keep us safe or whatever.

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Do you have some strategies that you would share with my audience on...

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How to help those that are not as comfortable with us growing,

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accept that and support us?

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I think the accepting part is huge.

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We have to realize that not everyone understands or dreams or vision...

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And it's okay, it's okay.

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It's not their job to understand.

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And it's not supposed to make sense.

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That's the other thing.

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if you have big dreams...

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The actions you take, are not supposed to make sense to you in the moment.

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It's all gonna come together later on.

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You're going to be...

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Oh, that's why I went through this.

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Or that's why I had that lesson.

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Or I've been through that hard phase.

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It's to show us, and to make us stronger.

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These people who are looking at you and they're like...

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Oh my gosh...

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What is she doing?

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Or whatever, doubting her...

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capabilities or whatever.

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It's okay.

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, Let's just accept it.

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it's fine to have a healthy conversation...

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Just telling them, , I would appreciate if you could support me, if not, I'm going

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to have to put on boundaries...Right?

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Boundaries are huge.

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You have to have strong boundaries.

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You have to know what your standards are.

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Hold yourself high to that standard and respect that for yourself.

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The people who truly care about you, they'll get it.

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They will understand.

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For sure.

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Even if they don't understand the business idea, or what your vision is...

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Understand that you are.

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Created and you are growing, and you are courageous enough to try it.

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What about in very personal relationships?

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Like in partnerships, marriages, or family...

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Where people are really used to...

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The older version of you?

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Any ways you would recommend on how to handle a loving...

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setting of boundaries?

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Well, I was very lucky.

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My husband supports me a hundred percent.

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He's even the one who tells me...

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Oh, hell no...

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you're not giving up...

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We're not having bad days.

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And I was throwing everything out the window.

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Yeah, I'm very lucky in that sense.

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So I'm not the best to give advice around those types of situations, but

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honestly, it's just being yourself.

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If those people are in your life and if they matter to you, they'll get it...

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They just want the best for you.

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They just want you to be your best self.

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Of course, it's normal to have fears, because they don't

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want to see you get hurt.

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Right?

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That's the biggest thing.

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Maybe you're reassuring them, and being like...

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No, I got this ... Trust me...

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everything's gonna be fine.

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Just having like healthy conversations is huge.

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Just being direct and honest.

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That's the big thing too.

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Thank you for that.

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We came together because I heard about your podcast and your success

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as a relatively new podcaster.

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How did you choose the name for your podcast?

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So that's a really good question.

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it all started with my Facebook group actually, because I wanted to rebrand it.

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I wanted to make it true to who I am, and my brand and my image.

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And so I renamed my group, the Powerful Female Coaches and Leaders Community.

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and I show up there every week.

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I gave free training, free value.

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If you need help, like growing and scaling your business.

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The podcast...

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I always had that dream, that I wanted to start one.

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We always say, aww...

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I'm going to do that later.

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I don't have the time now...

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I'm like...

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I'm just going to start.

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Cause that's who I am.

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I'm just going to do it because I really want to do it.

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And I knew nothing about podcasting.

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One day.

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I just said, you know what, I'm just going to go for it.

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I started messy.

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It wasn't perfect.

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But I just did the best that I could.

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And I already had the idea for the name, for the concept.

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I knew it was going to be about business, personal growth,

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leadership, and all of that.

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So already had most of the components.

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The biggest thing was creating a schedule for the podcast

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because we're business owners.

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We're busy, we have so much stuff going on.

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How do I incorporate podcasting stuff in my schedule and make it work for me?

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That was the biggest thing.

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I feel like it all just came together.

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I talked about my story and then the second one, and then

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the third one and the fourth one.

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I also knew I wanted to have amazing women on there.

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I also knew I wanted to give them a platform for them to share their stories

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and for us to learn more about them.

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And I feel like I've grown so much as a person, as a coach.

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Just hearing all these stories, it's so inspiring to me.

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So yeah, I just love it so much.

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I've learned so much, it's just been incredible.

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The amount of women just reach out to me every single day.

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Like every single day, like, Hey, can I be on your podcast?

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I'm really interested.

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I don't do any reach-outs, people reach out to me.

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It's just been amazing, honestly.

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Well, you just revealed one of my secrets.

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I believe that I get more out of the podcast from participating,

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showing up myself, and engaging and learning from my guests.

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Or even if I'm not interviewing somebody as inspiring as yourself.

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If it's a solo episode where it's just me talking on a subject.

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Just the mere aspect of the experience of it...

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Hearing myself articulate something out loud, it's like,

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Oh, ever so much more clarity.

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Do you ever have those moments where you hear yourself say

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something and then you go...

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Oh my Goddess!

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All the time.

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I always say like...

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You could easily start and scale your business just by

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listening to my podcast...

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But actually who is going to take action?

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That's the other thing, right?

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You can listen and consume information and learn all the things.

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But I always say, you have to implement, you have to take action.

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And this is where coaching comes in handy.

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When you have that coach...

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Who is like...

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Hey, how are your action steps going?

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What are you working on today?

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How's it going?

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That's huge, having that person in your corner.

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It makes such a difference.

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I always say like my podcast, you can learn everything from

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A to Z, everything you need...

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You have to take action.

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To have results.

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Yeah...

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You can't just be a voyeur of life.

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You have to then actually go...

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If I take that...

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Customize it for what I do, what my strengths and talents are, my

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clients are, my interests are...

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And take those steps.

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Like I say...

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Get up, Dress up, Show up, every day, And moving forward, as you do...

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Trying something new, refining it, tweaking it...

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But always with a vision to grow, and deliver more value.

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But I love what I'm seeing about you...

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You're just showing up as someone who is enthusiastically wanting to

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create more value, and to be a powerful female leader, just by example.

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So thank you.

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Thank you for that.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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I, believe that there will be...

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At least I hope, many opportunities for us to come together and

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talk again in the future.

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Cause I'm already thinking about a few other aspects of...

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What you have learned in your shorter than my lifetime?

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That I'd love you to be able to share with others.

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But before we part today...

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Please, share for everybody, the full name of your podcast...

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And where they can find it.

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So the podcast is called the Powerful Female Leaders podcast.

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You can find it on Spotify, on Apple podcasts, on Buzzsprout on

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iHeartRadio, the big platforms.

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You can find it there for sure.

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So easy for everybody to find it.

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(Yeah.) And I'm going to include the information in

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the show notes, your profile.

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Where people can find you on social media, et cetera.

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I would like you, if you will, share something with the audience,

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that they might not be able to find out about you on Google.

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That's a really good question.

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Oh my gosh.

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Something silly?

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Or like...

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I dunno...

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Whatever you want..., I just should not be able to get off this interview,

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and Google that, and find the answer.

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And I must say, I have been surprised by every single answer

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I've received to that question.

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Something, I don't talk a lot about is ... So I speak three languages,

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French, English and Spanish.

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My mom is Dominican, so I was born in Dominican Republic.

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I came to Canada, back when I was one year old.

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So my mom spoke to me in Spanish.

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I learned French at school.

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I learned English watching Sesame street and Barney on TV.

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So that's something I don't talk a lot about.

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Oh, I love that, because I have a dream to be multilingual.

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And I think I'm going to have to take heed to what you said earlier...

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It won't happen, if I don't take action.

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Maybe I could rehearse with you a little bit.

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Thank you very much.

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Is there anything else that you would like to leave with our audience today?

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I think the big thing is...

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Take a deep breath and just know everything will come

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together at the right time.

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Maybe right now it doesn't seem like it.

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Maybe you're getting frustrated, you're doing the things...

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Things are not moving fast enough...

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But just know...

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That you are deeply guided and supported and the universe has your back.

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Don't be afraid to make bold moves.

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Even if you're scared, because on the other side of that move...

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You never know, what could happen.

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And most of the time, I would say 99.9% of the time magic happens.

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So just trust yourself.

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Follow your gut.

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Take the leap.

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And it's all gonna work out in the end.

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Thank you very much.

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You are a tremendous coach and a tremendous role

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model, and a joy to be with.

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Thank you, Ana.

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Thank you so much.